sutton show. welcome to the joy suttonshow. what happened to my first guest will make you question if you should ever reveal your age to your employer or coworkers. my guest has no doubt she was treated differently because of her age and you may be surprised by what an executive at her company suggested she do to move up the corporate ladder. we concealed her identity to protect her. here is her story. i thought that staying on top of my game, my experience, especially my experience would be the factor that would definemy opportunity. with 30 years of experience in the industry and an m.b.a. she assumed she was gold money in her new sales position. she never imagined growing older would impact her career until she started being more open about her age. colleagues that were near the same age or colleagues a little older than i am saying you are really free about giving your age away. i wouldn't do thank she also began noticing another startlingoccurrence. sometimes during strategy sessions we came up with an idea based on our experience, and if not received that at time, but being received later and a younger person presented the very same idea. gail questioned if this could really be happening or maybe she was overthinking it but an executive in the company confirmed the worst suspicions. she was telling me the insidescoop. what the executive would encourage her to do took her offguard. she told me she liked me, thought i was very smart but i needed to rethink some things if i was interested in moving up. the executive would tell her she needed to lose weight and -- we talked about things like botox and other procedures you can do to maintain a youthfullook. and according to her she felt like it was one way to stay competitive with all of the younger people that were coming on to the team. the executive then revealed her own strict workout regiment and that she gets botox and has undergone plastic surgery. when she revealed her age to me i was very, very surprised that she was 20 years olderabout me. gail admitted to trying botox but feels conflicted about herdecision to this day. i never considered those actions to get ahead and i think at this point, months down the line, i reconciled that it's not something i'm going continue topursue. she thinks getting in better shape is a good idea and has her own words of wisdom for older women in the work place. if they want to be competitive for top jobs they have to do it on all fronts and include taking better care of themselves. we're joined by dr. kathy jordan, employment expert and executive coach. it seems outlandish, could thisbe happening. what do you think when you heard the story? i knew i heard the story many times from other women. it's very common, much more common than we realize it's part of fabric of our society. just as we have gender bias, we have racial bayis. we have -- racial bias we have laws against people with physical challenges, ageism is part of the fabric of oursociety. you think about the baby boomers staying in the work force longer i'm sure we'll have many people dealing with this. what age do you typically see this start? IT STARTS IN THE 40s. don't tell my age. i'm getting close.[laughter] i tell my clients by age 50 you need to be where you want to be because it becomes difficult to move after 50. by 60, and i've passed that, by 60 you really need to be where you want to be. now zit matter by industry? i know being in the media you think you have to look younger, a lot of women know that. but does it matter if you are in health care or you are in sales or different jobs? it depends on how much public exposure you have. so someone in sales and that's why i asked about her background, someone in sales usually those are younger people right out of school. they have lots of energy. they can go on the road. not worry about being home with the children. by the time you are 30 you really need to be thinking about where else in the organization should i move? because sales is usually foryounger interesting. so you might need to move to something else. right. some women may say i want to be the botox. i want to be competitive i want to look younger. right. should they feel bad about that? i don't think sox again, you need to adjust your appearance for the industry where you work. so, years ago i helped people who were in the agriculturalindustry. they are not worrying about that as much. someone who is talking about sheet production is not as interested as someone in sales. sales folks, public relations folks, people who become the image of an organization really need to focus on that. i guess you can't really get upset with the company to someextent. no because it's just part of the presentation. and we all do it. i know when your car starts to look a little run down, you go oh, it needs a paint job or maybe i need a new model. same thing. maybe you need a nip and tuck. exactly.exactly. when we come back we'll talk to you more about what to do if this happens to you.